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Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 29 Jul 2019 12:22
by Dr_Mokka
Even I watched part oft it. Great job by verstappen and Vettel

Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 03 Aug 2019 08:59
by Dr_Starfart

Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2019 13:54
by Mettkrieger
Thoughts on Albon <=> Gasly switch?

Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2019 14:08
by TheDrownedApe
i think it's too early. Albon only has 10 (??) races under his belt and protomed in place of Gasly seems crazy. yes Gasly has been gastly Kreygasm since he started but at least give him a season. They made this mistake with Kvyat and then brought him back.

Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2019 15:37
by TheGamingLion
I can kind of understand the switch. Gasly was obviously not able to perform as needed, and as RB is a high-pressure environment, the best way to test if a driver is capable is by putting him into the environment instead of wasting money on a guy that might not have the potential to handle it all. RB might feel they did that with Gasly. So to check if Albon would be fine in RB in 1-3 years, you might as well check within 9 races how well he does. If he does a Gasly, you can safely put Kvyat into the 2nd RB spot and be quite sure that he'll perform.

Due to Albon's and Kvyat's age difference (just 2 years, but a lot in development terms, one might assume), RB might see more potential in Albon as a driver, and a younger "platform" to shape. RB being known to be quite strict. It was already possible to compare Albon and Kvyat in Toro Rosso for a couple of races, so RB might have an accurate estimate as to how they'd compete.

Kvyat didn't handle the pressure well the last time he was in RB, and RB has this quite stubborn fella (Helmut Marko) who takes part in making decisions. Although, as said, Torpedo would probably do very well now.
What wasn't tested yet is Albon in a high-pressure environment. And you have to admit that both Kvyat and Albon are better prospects than Gasly to end the championship with.

We also have to consider that Kvyat might want to focus on his family more than being under a 24/7 contract with RB instead.

TL;DR: It could be a benchmark game with nothing to lose (and likely more to gain than with Gasly), or just down to Kvyat turning down the swap. Or Helmut Marko simply voted No on Torpedo.

Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2019 20:41
by Swoopie
TheGamingLion wrote:I can kind of understand the switch. Gasly was obviously not able to perform as needed, and as RB is a high-pressure environment, the best way to test if a driver is capable is by putting him into the environment instead of wasting money on a guy that might not have the potential to handle it all. RB might feel they did that with Gasly. So to check if Albon would be fine in RB in 1-3 years, you might as well check within 9 races how well he does. If he does a Gasly, you can safely put Kvyat into the 2nd RB spot and be quite sure that he'll perform.

Due to Albon's and Kvyat's age difference (just 2 years, but a lot in development terms, one might assume), RB might see more potential in Albon as a driver, and a younger "platform" to shape. RB being known to be quite strict. It was already possible to compare Albon and Kvyat in Toro Rosso for a couple of races, so RB might have an accurate estimate as to how they'd compete.

Kvyat didn't handle the pressure well the last time he was in RB, and RB has this quite stubborn fella (Helmut Marko) who takes part in making decisions. Although, as said, Torpedo would probably do very well now.
What wasn't tested yet is Albon in a high-pressure environment. And you have to admit that both Kvyat and Albon are better prospects than Gasly to end the championship with.

We also have to consider that Kvyat might want to focus on his family more than being under a 24/7 contract with RB instead.

TL;DR: It could be a benchmark game with nothing to lose (and likely more to gain than with Gasly), or just down to Kvyat turning down the swap. Or Helmut Marko simply voted No on Torpedo.

Verstappen needs a teammate who can help him win (Eg. not lose 0,5s/lap compared to him). Not like in hungary where Gasly let Hamilton get too far away so Hamilton could execute the late pit safely. As you said Albon is a "safe bet" for the rest of the season, so they can benchmark him and choose the best driver out of the 3 RB program drivers for the next season. Because right now, RB can seriously challenge ferrari for that 2nd spot in WCC, but it's not happening if Verstappen has to do it alone.

Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 12 Aug 2019 22:44
by Aubury
They also need to figure out if something was just fundamentally wrong with Gasly's car or if it was really just Red Bull's design philosophy working against him.

Or if Verstappen is just way too good and completely overperforming in the other car.

Re: Motorsport autims

PostPosted: 18 Aug 2019 13:58
by TheGamingLion
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comme ... r_formula/

Excerpt from an interview with Helmut Marko, head of Red Bull's driver development program, talking about the driver switch:

--What is the thing you value the most when evaluating young talent?

Marko: I don’t want to expose trade secrets, so I’ll say one thing. Quickness. Over one lap, not overall race pace. I was once interested in a driver (a current F1 driver), and thought he was a very good driver. However, he lacked one lap pace, so I passed on bringing him into the Red Bull program. Today, he races quite well on Sundays, but is falling behind his teammate on Saturdays. My view of him was correct in the end, and his qualifying performance is hampering him.

--Come on, tell us another.

Marko: Mental toughness.

--How do you evaluate that?

Marko: We’ve been using various tests for the past few years that can quantify this. However, I still value talking to drivers directly and evaluating this. And I’ve rarely made any mistakes in my judgement. A typical, or an extreme example of this was Max. The first time I spoke to him, I sensed his mental fortitude.

--When was this?

Marko: When he was 15.

--Pierre Gasly was meant to be no slouch mentally.

Marko: That’s what I thought as well.

--Before Hungary, you haven’t publicly touched on the possibility of a driver swap mid-season. Was Hungary a turning point that brought about the decision?

Marko: You can say that. Not only did he fall behind at the start, but he struggled to make a move on Sainz, let alone pass him. This was despite Pierre’s pace being much better than Sainz. He eventually finished a lap down from the front.

--From somebody that has seen him last season, Pierre seems to be a different man now. Is this a mental issue?

Marko: I believe so. Pierre up until last season was quick over one lap, and didn’t hesitate to overtake during the race. But he hasn’t performed like that this season.

--And you’re saying that this is a psychological issue.

Marko: I think so.

--I’ve been wanting to ask you this, but do you believe that his early crash during winter testing affected his performance?

Marko: Not just once, but twice. Yes, his crashes had a great effect on the team’s test programs. We were short on parts, and faced issues completing our tests.

--And Gasly felt responsible for it?

Marko: Definitely so. And he was unable to move forward, even as the season started.

--Albon might not be ready mentally for the sudden promotion. Isn’t there a risk of him turning out like Gasly?

Marko: I’m optimistic. To be honest, I didn’t expect him to perform so well in his first season. He’s improving every race, too. Moreover Alex’s contract is only for the remaining 9 rounds. Nothing has been decided regarding Max’s teammate next season. So Alex doesn’t need to put any pressure on himself; he just needs to drive like himself.

--I see. Still, Kvyat has outperformed him in quali and races. Why have you chosen Albon despite this?

Marko: There’s no “despite” here. I just thought that Albon was the more appropriate choice. We already know how quick Kvyat is. He has also recovered well from his release from Red Bull. He has become a very complete driver. So we considered all of these factors, and decided to go with Albon's promise.

Officially indeed benchmarking reasons.